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Valerian in Agatha Christie novels
It says citation is needed. I know that one book at least mentions this, Five Little Pigs, and it is mentioned in the article. I am not sure how to cite this properly. I hope to eventually read the 2nd novel, and cite them both here then. olya 05:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Kierkegaard
I just read that Kierkegaard (the Danish philosopher) took Valerian late in his life, while he was hospitalized: http://www.newyorker.com/critics/books/articles/050328crbo_books
strangeness
An anon keeps putting the following phrase into the article:
This statement is also found on several other non-wikipedia websites, word for word or nearly so.
Questions and Answers About Valerian for Insomnia and Other Sleep Disorders Office of Dietary Supplements * National Institutes of Health notes that problems have been reported in clinical trials, but not confirmed as being due to valerian. A very old reference, A Compend of Materia Medica, Therapeutics, and Prescription Writing by Sam'l O. L. Potter, M.D., M.R.C.P.L., 1902., notes that it can cause "mental disturbance" which can "proceed even to delirium, while hallucinations and excitement are usually produced, together with great restlessness and spasmodic movements of the limbs." -- WormRunner | Talk 20:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Effects
Most individuals will find Valerian has little/no effect. It is mainly placebo.
Valerian root does have verifiable sedative properties. My own anecdotal experience confirms this, and it also has a tendency to induce vivid dreams.
I'd have to say that the statement "it's just a placebo" is false. I use it to get to sleep when I am stressed out and it's a great alternative to to using Xanax for panic attacks. However when I use Valerian or any other drug/supplement to get me to sleep, I usually don't have or can't remember my dreams, unlike the person who posted above me.
The above comment about "placebo" is nonsense; valerian is one of the few herbal remedies that has had serious scientific studies that consistently show it has at least SOME effect on insomnia and anxiety, although the effects are mild. It occasionally works very well for this commenter. HOWEVER, I find that commercial preparations of valerian vary widely in strength and efficacy. No doubt manufacturers are sometimes "cutting" it with something else that's inert, although I don't know why they would. 128.230.239.88 (talk) 18:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
It is not a placebo effect; the fact that the analogue of one of its constituents Valeric Acid (valproic acid) is used in pharmaceutical medicine and the effects of Valerenic Acid on the GABA receptors is enough to prove Valerian has chemical activity in the body. Your cross analysis with placebo effects in this case is similar to saying paracetamol's analgesic activity is placebo too. Valerian is extremely noticeable above 2500mg (standardized extract). Although not a recommended dose, for those of you who think it produces a placebo effect, try the aforementioned dose, and you will most certainly change your mind. Many herbal supplement manufacturers always recommend doses that are far lower than the active dose in order to adhere to the regulatory guidelines, the most sensitive people in our society and also to minimize blame based risks associated with higher doses.
Any medication, at a lower than active dose will appear to have little or no effect, even THC at an extremely low dose will impair a right judgment as to whether it is a placebo effect or real. Apart from Valerenic acid there are also many other active alkaloids and acids in Valerian. Whether they help insomnia, cause depression or stimulation is really upto how the subject wishes to welcome the feeling, but one thing that is 100% certain, is that Valerian is certainly not inactive. Placebo studies normally cross compare an active substance with an inactive substance, the latter being the placebo (Normally, flour, Vitamin-C or similar). Valerian is proved active. What can be argued here, is whether it is good for insomnia, or that its chemically active but does not produce any noticeable mood altering effects (e.g. Atenolol is a blood pressure medicine that is active, but does not produce any mood altering effects, similarly Paracetamol is active but does not alter the mood). Many people today still find Paracetamol ineffective against pain, but many find it extremely effective. It's really up to the individual too, some people are mentally strong or meditate regularly with a strong resistance to mood alterations, and some are more chemically dependent on things to get by and notice Valerian's effects more.--78.86.159.199 (talk) 00:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Valium
Any reason for the anti-confusion Valium note? I really can't see anyone making this connection, any more than thinking the drug is called "Valium" because it's a good "value". Any objections to removing it? Alvis 02:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I took it for the first time last night (9-4-06) on the advice of my mother-in-law. I can confirm the anecdotal report of vivid dreams. The most vivid of my life, the scariest of my life and the first "wet dream" since my adolescent days. I will never take it again as I am still anxious 3 hours after waking.
St. Valerian
Is it named after St. Valerian (perhaps because of when it blooms, like St. John's Wort)? That would be a good thing to add to the Valerian/Valium note. Also, the St. Valerian article is a major stub. Snowboardpunk
Effects on Cats and Rats
Its a small thing I know but i cringe every time I see or hear 'so much so...' as in "Valerian is also very attractive to rats, so much so that it has been used to bait traps." its just sounds like the author (no discredit to you) just couldn't think up the best words to express the sentence. Perhaps ' Rats are highly attracted to it, to the extent that it has been used as rat trap bait' or somthing along those lines maybe. --I don't like football 03:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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Personal Account
My Personal experience with this,
I took it for the first time Sunday, and again today, the calming effect came on smooth and subtle, and faded away a few hours later just the same. I am not taking this to help me sleep, I am taking it to try to prevent another panic/anxiety attack from occuring. which I had went to the ER for a few weeks ago. I want to try an herbal route before I end up having to take some prescription pill like atavan every day for the rest of my life. I dont want that, and I would rather have tried everything else first.
Valerian root , and valium, have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER, chemically or otherwise. The only thing similar between the 2 is the letters VAL in the names. thats it.
I'm only on day 2 of this stuff, (500mg Sundown Brand, capsules ) It could be in my head, or it could be physical, but I did feel pretty relaxed about 45 minutes after taking one pill. not to the point of laying down, just ..relaxed.. peaceful. I felt good. Again, it could be in my head, it could be from the pill. A few more days and I will have a better idea if Valerian Root is a joke or has some real effects.
John L
valium and valerian affect the same receptors in the brain, but the names have no relation, if you want natrual valium try a potato. also what if you drank alcohol while on valerian?
I've just removed the following from the article: I have been taking Valerian for over 10 years off and on prior to going to sleep. I have found it to be a wonderful sleep aid. The next morning, wake feeling refreshed and relaxed. Valerian helps you to fall asleep quickly and then to sleep threw the night. It seems to also help calm my IBS slightly. It is the best herb. I take it in large quantities of 6 tablets before going to sleep for years. I strongly recommend this herb for anxiety, PMS, insomnia, agitation, IBS.
I as going to put up a note for cleanup, but I think it's really something that belongs in the talk pages, if anywhere, as it's simply a personal account from a user. Alphamatrix (talk) 08:35, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Proposed merger
I propose that Valeri
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